Posts by Nathan Natas

hello and thanks to everyone for participating on this forum it has really been of much value, for those of you that post here know that your words are not lost you never know who is reading your expressions, lives are being changed and nonsense challenged.

i’m not much of a writer so excuse my untrained writing style and grammar but i want to share my story to help anyone who is visiting here to see that we are real people, fathers, mothers, sons and daughters who have come here for answers, there is no agenda, just searching for truth.

i hope my story will help others as so many here have helped me..

Nathan Natas

Alive! asked, "Wouldn't that be consulting with demons, I asked as I read the accounts..."

IF demons actually existed, then yes, it would be. But demons, like god, jesus, heaven and the soul are all products of chimpanzee imagination attempting to explain a universe he did not yet understand.

It _IS_ crazy, but you are not.

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looks like the org. stopped all the "leaks"

by nowwhat? in

cedars site hasn't had anything new since september when the new mid week meeting was disclosed.

wonder if the moles were caught.

Nathan Natas

Who cares what Cedars does? Not I, though if he was on fire, I would eagerly stomp out the flames.

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New here

by MarkofCane in

hello and thanks to everyone for participating on this forum it has really been of much value, for those of you that post here know that your words are not lost you never know who is reading your expressions, lives are being changed and nonsense challenged.

i’m not much of a writer so excuse my untrained writing style and grammar but i want to share my story to help anyone who is visiting here to see that we are real people, fathers, mothers, sons and daughters who have come here for answers, there is no agenda, just searching for truth.

i hope my story will help others as so many here have helped me..

Nathan Natas

MarkOfCane said, "...I’m not much of a writer so excuse my untrained writing style and grammar..."

You are better than you think you are and show some real promise. Please continue writing and your skill will continue to improve.

I would like to clarify a point Giordano made; the pyramid near the grave of C. T. Russell was NOT his idea, it was erected years after his death by his fanatical followers. It does provide an enduring link between Russell and his belief in Pyramidology, however.

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Fisticuffs Erupts Between Mormons and JWs at Montreal Airport... WTF?

by Room 215 in

apologies if someone else has posted this before: .

http://vaticanenquirer.com/canadas-mormons-and-jehovahs-witnesses-brawl-trying-to-get-to-refugees-first/.

sorry, meant to say "fighting erupts" ... my bad.

Nathan Natas

I think it is TERRIBLE that people are refusing to believe this and saying that the source is a parody site!

Why is everyone so harsh and judgemental? Why can't you let Room 215 believe his own truth?

</SARCASM: OFF/>

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Any William Miller Scholars out there?

by neverendingjourney in

for those who may not be aware, the 1914 date was arrived at by russell by using the same framework of the failed prophetic interpretations of the adventist preacher william miller.

see this chart:.

if you look at the top right of the chart, he uses the same 7-times reasoning to arrive at the 2,520 years (7 times=7 multiplied by 360-day years=2,520 years).

Nathan Natas

Insanity is doing THE SAME THING and expecting DIFFERENT RESULTS.

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Any former elders brains I could pick?

by BarelyThere in

jw
friends

i posted in another topic a few hours ago.

it is my first time on here or any website like this, ever.

i was dfed back in september for adultery.

Nathan Natas

BarelyThere, you want to marry the guy that you were disfellowshipped for having sex with.

Presumably you and this fellow are now living a "chaste" and "approved" life, which means no sex for either of you and no "mutual sensual gratification."

Was he disfellowshipped for having sex with you, or for a different reason?

What if the two of you went to the elders and said you want to marry and you need to know how to get this done.

Scripturally they CANNOT forbid you to marry, but they can determine whether you are allowed to be married in the Kingdom Hall and they will determine how long you will have to wait for reinstatement.

...and your fiancee is OK with his plan to fade, right? RIGHT?

If he's not, you'll be going from the frying pan into the fire.

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Why continue to suffer??

by Tigerlove in

jw
friends

i occasionally come on this website because i have my eyes on a particular user.

because of that, i end up reading a lot of people's post.

although very interesting and hurt breaking, a lot of them are very strange.

Nathan Natas

Oh, oh, follow me! Follow me!

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First time here

by BarelyThere in

okay so here goes...this is my first time on here.

i'm lost and confused and am feeling very hopeless.

i was dfed in september and i am still wrapping my head around everything.

Nathan Natas

BarelyThere, welcome.

You will also find "tough love" here, and encouragement to "be all that you can be."

Some opening suggestions:

1. If you still call Watchtower dogma "THE TRUTH," stop doing that! Think of it as "The TROOTH" and remind yourself that trooth-fairies don't exist.

2. It will be difficult, but you do not need the approval of those who offer CONDITIONAL love.

3. The Watchtower has a success record of exactly 0% on EVERYTHING they have ever predicted based on their reading of the Bible.

4. Based on #3, ARMAGEDDON is NOT "closer than the inside of your eyelid." The fear of Armageddon is a cult mind-control technique. Plan to live a full and happy life, beginning NOW.

5. I'm an ATHEIST and APOSTATE. Others here are also, some claim to be neither. Remember that I have never lied to you.

That will do for openers.